Myth, DT teams better than ST: Discussion thread

[maurice2211]

The teams are only as good as their trainers. It doesn't matter which trainer is used. I feel that the same goal can be accomplished using either trainer but ST would just take much longer.

[Rally]

Originally Posted by jwizz

Their is just way more DT teams then ST teams , but IMO i think ST training is better than DT training. RBs Statement makes sense.. I train both DT and ST and ST looks to be more acurate depending on what your training.

Have to agree with that and Redbirds statement is just correct also. ST offence ftw!

[Country Kids]

ST Training is better because you get to train in that classic stadium/field/ground/whatever its called

[Roughnecks]

It depends on which teams we are talking about. Some DT teams are better than some ST teams, and vice versa. We are talking about the teams and not the training right?

For the most part, I think DT teams are better ST teams. Very few ST teams make it to the big show.

[Rally]

Originally Posted by Roughnecks

It depends on which teams we are talking about. Some DT teams are better than some ST teams, and vice versa. We are talking about the teams and not the training right?

For the most part, I think DT teams are better ST teams. Very few ST teams make it to the big show.

Well very few trainers have the patience for it. Zachery is a great ST team that's made it and won it....

Another good ST trainer IMO is Larry Luman, he's being doing really well and although he hasn't won it, he's been in pl 1 alot lately.

[YagaDan]

Originally Posted by jwizz

Their is just way more DT teams then ST teams , but IMO i think ST training is better than DT training. RBs Statement makes sense.. I train both DT and ST and ST looks to be more acurate depending on what your training.

I think anyone with the goal of losing, like yourself, can accomplish it in DT or ST fairly well. Just be like Mo.

[jwizz]

Originally Posted by YagaDan

I think anyone with the goal of losing, like yourself, can accomplish it in DT or ST fairly well. Just be like Mo.

Losing ? COME GET SOME!

[epiphanic]

Originally Posted by maurice2211

The teams are only as good as their trainers. It doesn't matter which trainer is used. I feel that the same goal can be accomplished using either trainer but ST would just take much longer.

As an ST trainer, I want to believe this idea is true. To accept anything short of that is to give an myself an excuse for lack of success. But anecdotal evidence suggests that teams with the Deluxe Trainer do have an advantage over Standard Trainer teams.

Originally Posted by redbirds33

In ST, players learn what they want to learn. In DT, players learn what you want them to learn.

This is the advantage. Look at many of the top teams in SmallBall. All current PL1 teams have the DT and 6 of them play in homerun friendly parks (Brickyard*, Ocean, or Intel). Smith's 152048 is currently in Monster, but it's been Ocean -- counting that would bring it to 7. It's not really surprising that we see this set up. It's no secret that offense usually wins in SmallBall. Outslug your opponent and more often than not, you'll be the one on top. The Deluxe Trainer, as Redbirds stated, allows you to force specific skills (especially batting) that the Standard Trainer cannot. I would venture to guess that at least 75% percent of 9* DT teams' batting practice goes into the power cage. The result is an entire lineup that can mash the ball when they make contact.

I could be very mistaken, but it seems that power is the skill in SmallBall. The Deluxe Trainer allows you to continually max in that skill while the Standard Trainer leaves you to the whims of the SmallBall gods.

[stubs]

DT teams better than ST teams???

First, please define better. If you are talking wins vs. losses. I would say no. Any team in SmallBall can win at any time. A 7* team can beat a 9* team. They just have to be trained in the right skills.
If you are talking skill level, I would say no again. Each team, I believe, has certain potential. That may change over time, but no matter how you train, the team can still attain that skill level.
If you are talking training difficulty, then absolutely. A DT team is much easier to train. You can target the skills much easier than you can in ST (as RB pointed out).

Second, the article states that training in hitting is more comprehensive in ST. Well that same type of training can be attained in DT. Just put a guy on the mound and your player in the batters box. You get skill training as well as contact and power (it's not usually noticed as much in the DT because the player has probably already gotten a lot of training in the contact and power cage). The other points being made about training don't really make a case for ST being better than DT. They are just saying that you can get the same type of training in ST as you can with DT. It seems like a little more work, so I don't think that is making a case for ST being "better".

Third, if you are short on cash, then of course ST is better. The economy is not flourishing right now, so training in ST gives you the ability to train a SmallBall team without having to sacrifice the ability to pick up a few tickets at the mall. ++ for ST.

Overall, in my opinion, a team trained in DT by an average SmallBall trainer is probably better than one trained in ST by an average SmallBall trainer. It's easier to target the player training skills giving you more time to analyze how the training is working out for your team.

[Gooser]

Originally Posted by epiphanic

As an ST trainer, I want to believe this idea is true. To accept anything short of that is to give an myself an excuse for lack of success. But anecdotal evidence suggests that teams with the Deluxe Trainer do have an advantage over Standard Trainer teams.



This is the advantage. Look at many of the top teams in SmallBall. All current PL1 teams have the DT and 6 of them play in homerun friendly parks (Brickyard*, Ocean, or Intel). Smith's 152048 is currently in Monster, but it's been Ocean -- counting that would bring it to 7. It's not really surprising that we see this set up. It's no secret that offense usually wins in SmallBall. Outslug your opponent and more often than not, you'll be the one on top. The Deluxe Trainer, as Redbirds stated, allows you to force specific skills (especially batting) that the Standard Trainer cannot. I would venture to guess that at least 75% percent of 9* DT teams' batting practice goes into the power cage. The result is an entire lineup that can mash the ball when they make contact.

I could be very mistaken, but it seems that power is the skill in SmallBall. The Deluxe Trainer allows you to continually max in that skill while the Standard Trainer leaves you to the whims of the SmallBall gods.

I would agree that DT has an advantage over ST but I would disagree as to why. To me the major obstacle for ST training was pitching and a little bit in defense (throw). I am no expert in ST training, but I did train No Soup for You! in ST up until they were in PL3. Then regrettably I lost the patience required for ST and slapped a DT on them. No Soup hit as well as an ST team as they do now. I don't know about anyone else but I am no where close to 75% of my hitting in the power cage. Most trainers over do it in power IMO.

Pitching was the problem for me. By the time Friday rolled around my pitchers were usually well below their peak and I had to save up extra pie for them both to get them through another week. This meant they couldn't get into the power cage on DT free Fridays. Well okay the power cage is the problem for the pitchers. In Smallball your pitcher better be able to hit like a Monster.

The strategy that hurts all ST trainers in the upper PLs is that by the way they have to train they are usually at their weakest on Thursdays. I would imagine most go 48 hour pies on Thursday for the extra DT time on Friday. Well that is what I did. Makes them a little predictable. Personally I try not to play a ST team on a Thursday because I have too much respect for what they do to try and take advantage of this strategy.